Centurion, "Equipe", Part II

The Centurion brand, "Equipe"story started here with having received a scan of the 1985 BICYCLE GUIDE which had a feature behind the creation of this bicycle.

Subsequent to that blog entry we heard from the man behind the project, Alan Goldsmith, and you can read his comments in that blog entry.

Now we turn to a reader that owns a Centurion "Equipe" and wrote in with many interesting details. First, photos of his bike which is completely original with the exception of the brake hoods and tires:

SPECIFICATIONS: 1985 CINELLI EQUIPE CENTURION, as above

GENERAL DESCRIPTION:
Men's Cinelli 12-speed racing bike (1984\85; one year only).
Color : "Titanium silver" (4 primer\finish coats, 1 clear coat).
Serial Number: None. "60" (size c-c) stamped under BB.
MSRP: US$995 Introductory price: US$790.

FRAME:
Columbus SL(SP) "Cylex" CrMo steel frame and fork.
Campagnolo dropouts (chrome), seatpost binder bolt,
double water bottle braze-ons. 126mm rear spacing.

Total weight: 21lb, 2.5oz
Frame without fork: 5lb, 1.0oz
Fork only: 1lb, 10.5oz
Front wheel only: 2lb, 6.5oz
Rear wheel only: 3lb, 6.0oz

COMPONENTS:
Cinelli:
Record "Giro D'Italia" bar (64-42cm) and stem (120mm).
Volare unicanitor suede-over-plastic saddle.
Full set of investment cast lugs; sloped fork crown; bottom
bracket shell; seat and chain stays, and brake bridge. Fork
crown, head lugs and drive-side chain stay are chromed.

Campagnolo Nuovo Record derailleurs and downtube shifters.

Universal AER side pull brakes and levers.

Regina:
CX-S, 6-speed freewheel with 13-14-15-17-19-21 cogs.
Record chain (wide-spaced; 108 links, drilled).

Ofmega:
Mistral cotterless alloy crankset (170mm; 144mm BCD).
Mistral chainwheels (52\42).
Mistral bottom bracket (70mm\36x24); alloy spindle (118mm).
Mistral headset.
Sintesi composite platform pedals; toe clips\Binda straps.

Fiamme Hard Silver 700C tubular rims (340gr; 36-hole; eyelets).
Miche Competition quick-release hubs (36 hole; stainless spokes).
Vittoria Nuovo Pro tubular tires.

Gipiemme seatpost (27.2mm).

MARKINGS:
Cinelli logos (new style) embossed on bar and stem, fork crown,
seat and seat stays, rear brake bridge and under bottom bracket.

Other markings include: a "Cinelli Equipe" decal on down-tube
just above shifters and on left chain stay; an "Italia: Made in
Italy" decal high on seat tube.

Centurion decals on down-tube (left and right), and a Centurion
"C" decal badge on head tube.

Columbus tubing decals on fork ("FORCELLA ORIGINALE") and frame
("TUBI RINFORZATI GARANTIZI"; "ACCIAIO [dove] SPECIALE"; "COLUMBUS").

Centurion was the trade name for road bikes imported by the Canoga Park, CA, based Western States Imports (WSI). In 1984\85 WSI and Cinelli joined forces to produce a limited number of
high-end "project bikes," which were co-branded Cinelli\Centurion. This bike was produced for one year only.


The reader adds that an advertisement in the December 1984 issue of Bicycling Magazine, introducing the Cinelli Equipe Centurion, states: "The frame is designed by Cino Cinelli and production is coordinated and supervised by his staff." He then goes on to write:
".... Alan Goldsmith, the guy who did the deal with Cinelli for Western States Imports (WSI) has written to me and filled in many details that clear up questions about this bike's origins, who built it and where.

1. The deal was done between WSI and Cinelli (the company) of Milan.

2. Goldsmith represented WSI and Andrea Cinelli, Cino Cinelli's son, who remained working for Cinelli after his father retired and sold the company to Antonio Columbo in 1979, represented Cinelli
(the company) in the negotiations that began in late 1983.

3. The frame was designed by Goldsmith and built in the Chiricho (note: name of framebuilder) shop on the outskirts of Milan after design details were discussed among Goldsmith, Andrea Cinelli and Chiricho and revisions were made. The Chiricho shop also built Super Corsas for Cinelli (the company).

4. Goldsmith says not more than 150, or one shipping container load, of this bike was made. He has since had a chat with another former WSI principal who said he "feels" that the number was either 50 or 100, but was not sure.

5. Goldsmith said that "sales were horrible" due to a host of logistical and market factors. It was not a failure of the bicycle but a failure of distribution and marketing.

My own thinking is that the numbers must be more than 50 as I've seen 17 sell on eBay over the last seven years and am aware of half a dozen more in private hands. That would be an unusually large percentage of the total to track down. So maybe a 100 but I would go with Goldsmith's guess of 150 as one container load would seem a logical first contract target. It might also be a reasonable number for the shop to turn out in a year, in addition to whatever SCs it was producing. Just uninformed speculation here on my part.

There is still a question of Cino Cinelli's role, if any, in the Equipe project. The introductory ad in the December 1984 of Bicycling Magazine clearly states: "The frame is designed by Cino Cinelli and production is coordinated and supervised by his staff." But Alan told me that as far as he knows, Cino did not play a role in the Equipe project. He pointed out that Andrea Cinelli, who was running the company at the time for Antonio Columbo, was an expert in his own right and would not have needed his father's help executing the Equipe project.

I'm thinking the writer of the '85 Bicycle Guide article, which also implies a Cino role, may have confused Alan's visit with Cino to discuss the Centurion Ironman DS of '85 after Alan signed on Dave Scott as endorser/promoter of that model, not yet on the drawing boards. Alan said he had hoped to incorporate Cino's ideas into the Ironman design but WSI nixed the idea in favor of designing it after the already successful Comp TA, another project of Alan's.

Alan, a lawyer by profession, and his wife Susy started up Bikecology in Santa Monica, CA, in 1971. Bikecology (renamed Supergo in 1982) was a retail and mail order business dealing in high-end European bikes, frames and components. It was sold to Performance Bicycles in 2002. Alan did two stints with WSI under contract as a consultant, the first in the late '70s working on the Semi-Pro and Pro Tour models among others and in the early to mid- '80s focusing on the Comp TA, Equipe, Ironman and Accordo models."
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The following two photos were sent by www.vintageracingbicycles.com, note "Cinelli Equipe" decal above shifters:

 

Addendum: Alan Goldsmith wrote in with, "The metallic silver bike pictured in the article was the production model. There were 2 prototypes painted semi-matte black. The texture was close to what we would call “eggshell” in a house wall paint. Those were the bikes we showed to some dealers, test rode, etc. I don’t remember what happened to them, but they would be the rarest of the rare."

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Bernard Hinault Poster

Hinault won the Giro d'Italia and the Tour de France in the same year in 1982 and 1985 so poster dates to that era. Currently for sale at www.bicyclegifts.com

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Cinelli Speciale Corsa Leggerissimo, 2238

Thanks to Piero for photos of his beautiful rose colored Cinelli. Interestingly, it has the BB characteristic of a Leggerissimo. It's also not far in apart in serial number (yes, we know that Cinelli serial numbers are not consistent) from another one (in yellow/red).

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Cinelli Pista, 5398, 5944

Description: "A Cinelli Pista frameset in size 56x56cm c2c. Probably an early 1960 as it still has the lugs without the 3-howls and the long fork tangs. The frame is build from Columbus steel. You find a C and the numbers 5398 on the bottom bracket. The left rear drop out is marked with 5944. The bottom bracket shell width is 65mm. Included is a 1970 Hatta Swan headset.

When this frame came to me, it already had lost its original paint. It is complete restoration including preparation against rust and a new paint. Color is a pearl dark brown with a light pearl silver and golden accentuated embossments."

For sale at www.velociao.com

I am curious about the number dropout. Did Cinelli stamp serial numbers on dropouts? And, what would explain the mis-matched numbers?

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1960 Cinelli Riviera Donna

Component description: "Campagnolo Record, Stronglight, Mafac, Titan, Scheeren and Nisi parts. Frame height 49 c-c, length 55 c-c. To the most in original condition." For sale at www.velociao.com

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Cinelli Super Corsa

Andrea writes, "Last sunday I rode the Rapha's Hell Of The North, a social ride with 20 sections of gravel/countryside paths; a lovely experience that I did last year too, and always with the Supercorsa. Between the other amenities, there was also a river to cross (or a small bridge to bail out), which I did without any fear. Paparazzi were there, and here is a nice picture of it."

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Cinelli SC, No Serial Number

Toby from the UK writes, "I saw your blog and wanted to share with you my Cinelli
Supercorsa which I've recently had repainted/rebuilt. It's a strange one as it has no serial number on the bottom bracket, drilled lugs with the modern seatpost size of 27.2 and the modern brake bridge. Maybe you may now something about the history of the frame? I was told it was found with two other identical frames in a storeroom in the Cinelli factory in Milan and was brought to the UK by Brick Lane Bikes in London where I purchased it. It didn't come with a fork so I had to source this myself which was difficult to say the least."



I don't recall seeing a Cinelli without a serial number but there may be an interesting story behind this one.....

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Cino Cinelli

An old card featuring Cino Cinelli courtesy of David Beck from his collection.

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Giotto Cinelli

Thanks to John for the photo.

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Happy Easter!

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Centurion, "Equipe"

The above from Bicycle Guide, 1985. It describes the process by which the Centurion brand created an "Equipe" model with the involvement of Cinelli.

If the images do not enlarge sufficiently the key information is, "At long last Cino agreed to setup a factory for the manufacture of the bike frames. According to one source, "space in another bike company allied with Cinelli" (he would not specify the manufacturer) was leased, and Cinelli personnel were installed to supervise production."

Note: after publishing this article I heard from Alan Goldsmith. Among the things he said were, "In 1984, I was working on a new bike project with Cinelli. Andrea drove me to a small factory on the outskirts of Milan that he called Chirico (name of framebuilder), which I assumed was a separate business. I do believe it was a subcontractor and not something owned by Colombus." and also, "One minor error is that I spent around 2 weeks in Italy organizing various aspects of the program. But I only spent one day talking to Cino. It’s unfortunate that the writer didn’t really know about the inventions that actually made Cino famous. Those are well covered in your other stories. The real reason why the price fell from $1000 to $800 was the total failure of my project. My boss at Centurion was pissed and demanded that we dump these bikes ASAP. Now their worth more as rare exotic antiques than they were worth new." 

Article images (click on them to enlarge) courtesy of Dale Brown, owner of www.classicrendezvous.com. If you still have trouble reading them go here (for a large pdf)

A Centurion Equipe (without its decals):

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